I may have to come over to learn how to do that--;). Also do you know how to tat or someone who does. I can't seem to get the thread to "flip" at the end of each stitch. I get it sometimes but it is so random as to not help. The person who was trying to teach me up at D's ice rink only spoke Spanish, so while she helped some it was an interesting experience that was frustrating for both of us. I have looked it up on the net and that helped some. Now at least I know what I am doing wrong, but I need a person to help me fix it. Thanks.